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		<title>This Helps Explain The Rise of Fleet Foxes, At Least</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon Reynolds in the Guardian:
&#8220;See, I have this hunch. I reckon that if you were to draw up a top 2,000 albums of every pop decade and compare them, the noughties would win: it would beat the 1990s decisively, the 1980s handsomely, and it would thrash the 1970s and 1960s. But I also reckon that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Reynolds <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/dec/07/musically-fragmented-decade/print">in the Guardian</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;See, I have this hunch. I reckon that if you were to draw up a top 2,000 albums of every pop decade and compare them, the noughties would win: it would beat the 1990s decisively, the 1980s handsomely, and it would thrash the 1970s and 1960s. But I also reckon that if you were to compare the top 200 albums, it&#8217;d be the other way around: the 60s would narrowly beat the 70s, the 70s would slightly less narrowly beat the 80s, the 80s would decisively beat the 90s, and the 90s would leave the noughties trailing in the dust. Yeah, it&#8217;s just a hunch – but it has the ring of truth. Because I think that the higher reaches of a chart of this kind demand something more than mere musical excellence: there has to be an X factor, the hard-to-define quality that you could call &#8220;importance&#8221; or &#8216;greatness&#8217;.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He uses Pitchfork&#8217;s early-Noughties (I feel weird and British using that word) slant to its Best of the &#8217;00s list (<em>Person Pitch</em> being the only post-2005 inclusion) as the first bit of evidence.  Believe me, Pitchfork editors and staffers had an inkling that something like this would happen.</p>
<p>The most interesting part of this article is its conclusion&#8211;which, thankfully (and perhaps obviously, given its author) avoids the &#8220;they don&#8217;t make &#8216;em like they used to&#8221; argument.  Reynolds&#8217; contention is that, as the numbers of (often good) releases goes up, the critics themselves are spread thinner, and consensus inevitably declines, especially in comparison to earlier decades.  I actually had a bit somewhat similar to this in my own 00&#8217;s accompanying essay&#8211;a similar conclusion, but having more to do with the role of technologies and the incursion of non-critic-critics into this situation&#8211;but cut it, for various reasons.</p>
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		<title>Metal and Its Discontents?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AIM IM with Mark:   1/29/09 12:55 PM
Mark:  hey Eric
Me:  hey Mark
Me:  what&#8217;s up
Mark:  are you into metal?
Mark:  haha
Me:  nah not really
Me:  i like metal when it&#8217;s hybridized with other things
Mark:  yeah, me too
Me:  i really don&#8217;t know anything about metal, post like Slayer, early [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>AIM IM with Mark:   1/29/09 12:55 PM</p>
<p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  hey Eric<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  hey Mark<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  what&#8217;s up<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  are you into metal?<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  haha<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  nah not really<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i like metal when it&#8217;s hybridized with other things<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah, me too<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i really don&#8217;t know anything about metal, post like Slayer, early Metallica, etc.<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  something just popped into my head, I was thinking about the soundtrack to <span style="font-style: italic;">Gummo</span>, and it seemed very novel at the time that a bunch of black metal and grindcore and what have you was on an indie movie soundtrack in 1998<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  oh wow yeah, <span style="font-style: italic;">Gummo</span><br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  man, i&#8217;d forgotten about that film<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  I mean, look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummo_%28Soundtrack%29">this track list</a><span style="color: #3366ff;"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  wow, yeah<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  for an indie film in 1998, that was super fresh, and I was wondering if that kicked off anything in terms of critics coming around<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  hmmmm yeah<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  on <a href="http://www.dominorecordco.com/search/?keywords=gummo&amp;search.x=0&amp;search.y=0&amp;page=search">a young Domino</a>, no less!<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i could definitely see that. i mean, film soundtracks seem to often be used as a way to smuggle subterranean music into a wider consciousness<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but jeez, like i&#8217;ve not heard of any of these bands<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  except Destroy All Monsters<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but they&#8217;re old, i think<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  oh shit, yeah, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroy_All_Monsters_%28band%29">Niagara and what not. Ron Asheton</a><br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  Mark, I know you&#8217;re extremely aged<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  were you at any point in the band Destroy All Monsters<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah, i went to middle school with the Ashton brothers<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  ha<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but your point, i think, holds generally<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  re: soundtracks<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think like any sort of comp, it allows dilettantes to dip their toes in<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  I&#8217;ve yet to read a convincing article about why the critical focus on metal in the last 5 years<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  hmmmm<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  hasn&#8217;t metal seen the same sort of niche resurgence as a lot of other forms of music?<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  now that eclecticism is the way that people engage with music as the default<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  like, there&#8217;s more music period, and there are beats to cover<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  &#8220;beats&#8221; in the journalistic sense, y&#8217;know<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but like<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think that there&#8217;s always been residual metal dudes writing about music, and there&#8217;s an audience for that<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  like, all those metal rags in the 80s that were mixing coverage of Slayer with like, Poison<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah, it&#8217;s true &#8211; always been a genre that people like to pick up magazines about<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but now, i think the coverage has gotten a lot more eclectic, as the music&#8217;s gotten a lot more eclectic<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and i&#8217;m saying this as someone who hasn&#8217;t ever listened to an entire Sunn O))))) song<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think the field has widely expanded in general<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  so there are more entry points<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  if you like drone, there&#8217;s a way in, or ambient stuff, even<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  yeah, like i think there&#8217;s always been dudes making weird variants on metal, but now they have the capacity to get a public<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  a small public, but a devoted one, for sure<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  this is a concept i generally use to discuss a lot of stuff with music post-Napster<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i still think it&#8217;s ridiculous for people to assume that, like, pitchfork’s gonna be on top of every doom band that comes out of Denmark, though<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  without considering that Pitchfork’s serving an audience that&#8217;d much rather read about Andrew Bird<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think a lot of things like this are explainable by looking at production, promotion and distribution<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and how artists can rise up through these things with a few carefully-timed releases, strategic associations<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and then, genres come into play<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  like, do you know the concept of &#8220;<a href="http://www.historyguide.org/europe/freud_discontents.html">the narcissism of minor differences</a>&#8221;<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah, I am familiar w/ that concept<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  smarter people have used it, quite well, i think, to describe how genres form.  they&#8217;re talking more about the actual <span style="font-style: italic;">people</span> involved, but it&#8217;s an interesting application of the thing, regardless<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  basically that genres coalesce when something, for whatever reason, becomes popular, essentially turning a “public” into a “market”<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and then other bands who are doing the same thing with minor differences get ass&#8217;d with a &#8220;scene&#8221; or a &#8220;genre&#8221;<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think that&#8217;s sort of how the process works<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and like with metal<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  how it&#8217;s fragmented into all these niches<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think that a) that&#8217;s a function of so many options, post-Web and whatever<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and b) that there&#8217;s arisen a new crop of dudes whose job is to make sense of it<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  but i think it&#8217;s important that it&#8217;s metal, though<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  inasmuch as we don&#8217;t see huge waves of like Rhys Chatham disciples getting blog love<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  because there&#8217;s always been a devoted base for metal and its variants<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah, one other possible thing with metal is that, while it&#8217;s always remained popular among a blue collar base lower on the socioeconomic scale, in the last few years, too, there&#8217;s been a shift among the educated hipster elite types where certain things from this other world have become fashionable<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  ironic mullets, and next thing you know you are listeing to metal<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  ah, yes<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  we can see that with indie rock, too, right?<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  like its roots with the British &#8220;working class,&#8221; at least initially post-punk<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and now, we’ve got that “<a href="http://www.marathonpacks.com/2009/01/our-main-gripe-with-wynton-is-his-self.html">Dark is the Night</a>” compilation.  Which is good, but which represents a different form of homogenization, gentrification, etc.<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  i think the main audience for this sort of fringe music has definitely shaken out to include a large number of upper-middle class<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  with colleges that have free Web access<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  and creative-class jobs that let them sit at a desk all day and do nothing<br />
<span style="color: #ff6666;">Me</span>:  well, &#8220;used to,&#8221; WHAT WITH THE ECONOMY AND ALL<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;">Mark</span>:  yeah</div>
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