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	<title>Comments on: M.I.A. &quot;Paper Planes&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Ohm51</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2007/11/mia-paper-planes/comment-page-1/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohm51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knew that being intrigued with M.I.A.&#039;s &#039;Kala&#039; would lead to an introduction to Antonio Gramsci, whom I had previously never heard of, but these two bits from his Wikipedia entry seem apt.

&quot;For Gramsci, hegemonic dominance ultimately relied on coercion, and in a &quot;crisis of authority&quot; the &quot;masks of consent&quot; slip away, revealing the fist of force.&quot;

It seems that Maya is both illustrating that dominance and turning it on its head; in that I think that she is being a little coy with the ... &quot; rhetorical fashioning of the Handgun/Cash Register&quot; ... as one can read that bit in a number of ways, and in one of them I think she means it quite literally.

&quot;Furthermore, he (Gramsci) distinguished between a &#039;traditional&#039; intelligentsia which sees itself (wrongly) as a class apart from society, and the thinking groups which every class produces from its own ranks &#039;organically&#039;. Such &#039;organic&#039; intellectuals do not simply describe social life in accordance with scientific rules, but rather articulate, through the language of culture, the feelings and experiences which the masses could not express for themselves.&quot;

When distilled, everything is political, she certainly does fulfill such a role; and when &#039;the masks of consent slip&#039; to reveal the dominance and coercion of Western capitalism&#039;s effect on the &#039;world town&#039; ... what is a poor girl to do ... than to fight that funny business with a little funny business of her own.

So at bottom I tend to agree with the idea that Donald suggested ...  &quot;I mean we could go all Gramsci on it and see it as an underclass reversal of hegemony through the apparatus of the hegemon, but is she really that self-conscious?&quot; 

I would say hell yes, for what does she care, or owe to American cultural dominance and the &#039;fist of force&#039; underlying capitalism than the impoverishment of her own native lands ... not mere abstractions to her ... her mother was terrorized and beaten and her father &#039;dissappeared&#039; ... I venture she thinks its more than apt that she can get rich (gain power) via a bunch of unaware Western white kids buying her discs ... all the better to bite the fist that feeds them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew that being intrigued with M.I.A.&#8217;s &#8216;Kala&#8217; would lead to an introduction to Antonio Gramsci, whom I had previously never heard of, but these two bits from his Wikipedia entry seem apt.</p>
<p>&#8220;For Gramsci, hegemonic dominance ultimately relied on coercion, and in a &#8220;crisis of authority&#8221; the &#8220;masks of consent&#8221; slip away, revealing the fist of force.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that Maya is both illustrating that dominance and turning it on its head; in that I think that she is being a little coy with the &#8230; &#8221; rhetorical fashioning of the Handgun/Cash Register&#8221; &#8230; as one can read that bit in a number of ways, and in one of them I think she means it quite literally.</p>
<p>&#8220;Furthermore, he (Gramsci) distinguished between a &#8216;traditional&#8217; intelligentsia which sees itself (wrongly) as a class apart from society, and the thinking groups which every class produces from its own ranks &#8216;organically&#8217;. Such &#8216;organic&#8217; intellectuals do not simply describe social life in accordance with scientific rules, but rather articulate, through the language of culture, the feelings and experiences which the masses could not express for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>When distilled, everything is political, she certainly does fulfill such a role; and when &#8216;the masks of consent slip&#8217; to reveal the dominance and coercion of Western capitalism&#8217;s effect on the &#8216;world town&#8217; &#8230; what is a poor girl to do &#8230; than to fight that funny business with a little funny business of her own.</p>
<p>So at bottom I tend to agree with the idea that Donald suggested &#8230;  &#8220;I mean we could go all Gramsci on it and see it as an underclass reversal of hegemony through the apparatus of the hegemon, but is she really that self-conscious?&#8221; </p>
<p>I would say hell yes, for what does she care, or owe to American cultural dominance and the &#8216;fist of force&#8217; underlying capitalism than the impoverishment of her own native lands &#8230; not mere abstractions to her &#8230; her mother was terrorized and beaten and her father &#8216;dissappeared&#8217; &#8230; I venture she thinks its more than apt that she can get rich (gain power) via a bunch of unaware Western white kids buying her discs &#8230; all the better to bite the fist that feeds them.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2007/11/mia-paper-planes/comment-page-1/#comment-2011</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent analysis! I have been looking for something concrete, other than my own intellect, to prove to my friends that the song was not about smoking marijuana. Most people hear, &quot;Sticks and stones and weed and bombs&quot; and automatically assume the entire song is based on getting high. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent analysis! I have been looking for something concrete, other than my own intellect, to prove to my friends that the song was not about smoking marijuana. Most people hear, &#8220;Sticks and stones and weed and bombs&#8221; and automatically assume the entire song is based on getting high. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Kingston1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingston1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so funny how everyone assumes  that they know what an artist is  saying....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is what M.I.A says about Paper Planes:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot; I was going to get patties at my local and just thinking that really the worst thing that anyone can say [to someone these days] is some shit like: ”What I wanna do is come and get your money.” People don’t really feel like immigrants or refugees contribute to culture in any way. That they’re just leeches that suck from whatever. So in the song I say All I wanna do is [sound of gun shooting and reloading, cash register opening] and take your money. I did it in sound effects. It’s up to you how you want to interpret. America is so obsessed with money, I’m sure they’ll get it. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so funny how everyone assumes  that they know what an artist is  saying&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is what M.I.A says about Paper Planes:</p>
<p>&#8221; I was going to get patties at my local and just thinking that really the worst thing that anyone can say [to someone these days] is some shit like: ”What I wanna do is come and get your money.” People don’t really feel like immigrants or refugees contribute to culture in any way. That they’re just leeches that suck from whatever. So in the song I say All I wanna do is [sound of gun shooting and reloading, cash register opening] and take your money. I did it in sound effects. It’s up to you how you want to interpret. America is so obsessed with money, I’m sure they’ll get it. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what the fuck are you all talking about. get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what the fuck are you all talking about. get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2007/11/mia-paper-planes/comment-page-1/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ marathonpacks:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah, go with that!  My take on Kala is that it&#039;s a kind of joke about protest music.  She&#039;s enacting these routines of a &quot;third world&quot; [&lt;--scare quotes, not direct quotes] musician in order to play with the expectations of her intended audience.  And I don&#039;t know if you can really call that selfish or aesthetic--it&#039;s a kind of political move, too (though it&#039;s also very much an artistic challenge).  What she&#039;s doing is reveling in the very meaninglessness of that gesture of resistence that her audience has come to expect by someone with her symbol cluster, and that&#039;s a real stick in the eye.  Those slogans are &lt;i&gt;aggressively&lt;/i&gt; empty.  The real heart of the album is the wealth of details about everyday life, details that it&#039;s unclear the West is too interested in hearing.  (We seem more interested in interchangable stories of suffering.)  And that&#039;s one way of exploiting the actual function of art in service of a political agenda.  Drawing those lines between Bangladesh and Harlem, which you can only do with the same sorts of specific, individualized details that pop up in Jay-Z songs, is a leveling gesture, an attempt to humanize a population we tend to see as masses.  I suppose I should just write a post on this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ marathonpacks:</p>
<p>Yeah, go with that!  My take on Kala is that it&#8217;s a kind of joke about protest music.  She&#8217;s enacting these routines of a &#8220;third world&#8221; [< --scare quotes, not direct quotes] musician in order to play with the expectations of her intended audience.  And I don&#8217;t know if you can really call that selfish or aesthetic&#8211;it&#8217;s a kind of political move, too (though it&#8217;s also very much an artistic challenge).  What she&#8217;s doing is reveling in the very meaninglessness of that gesture of resistence that her audience has come to expect by someone with her symbol cluster, and that&#8217;s a real stick in the eye.  Those slogans are <i>aggressively empty.  The real heart of the album is the wealth of details about everyday life, details that it&#8217;s unclear the West is too interested in hearing.  (We seem more interested in interchangable stories of suffering.)  And that&#8217;s one way of exploiting the actual function of art in service of a political agenda.  Drawing those lines between Bangladesh and Harlem, which you can only do with the same sorts of specific, individualized details that pop up in Jay-Z songs, is a leveling gesture, an attempt to humanize a population we tend to see as masses.  I suppose I should just write a post on this too.</p>
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		<title>By: marathonpacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>marathonpacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ donald:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I had this post to do over again, I’d definitely add a more performance-centric approach.  I think the problem with this is that I wrote it too quickly, and left out the nuance that comes with sitting on something for a day or two.  Damn you, Internet. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think protest music is most often a performative display of resistance, and what I think M.I.A.’s doing here is, more or less, calling on that tradition for purely aesthetic and selfish reasons.  Which I love.  I mean, she’s fully aware of the inherent contradictions in her sloganeering, but she’s not trying to change the world, either.  In performative parlance, I’d guess she’s “doing being a protester.”  But man, I wish I would have gone into more detail about my use of the word “protest.”  Also: that line about “dropping out of the system of exchange.”  Thanks, Donald!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ donald:</p>
<p>If I had this post to do over again, I’d definitely add a more performance-centric approach.  I think the problem with this is that I wrote it too quickly, and left out the nuance that comes with sitting on something for a day or two.  Damn you, Internet. </p>
<p>I think protest music is most often a performative display of resistance, and what I think M.I.A.’s doing here is, more or less, calling on that tradition for purely aesthetic and selfish reasons.  Which I love.  I mean, she’s fully aware of the inherent contradictions in her sloganeering, but she’s not trying to change the world, either.  In performative parlance, I’d guess she’s “doing being a protester.”  But man, I wish I would have gone into more detail about my use of the word “protest.”  Also: that line about “dropping out of the system of exchange.”  Thanks, Donald!</p>
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		<title>By: Ass Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ass Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice piece. are you aware of the remix to &#039;paper planes&#039; with bun b and rich boy? it adds an interesting dimension to MIA&#039;s gangsterisms, and raises the old questions of rap as exploitation vs rap as the voice of the exploited. it&#039;s also pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice piece. are you aware of the remix to &#8216;paper planes&#8217; with bun b and rich boy? it adds an interesting dimension to MIA&#8217;s gangsterisms, and raises the old questions of rap as exploitation vs rap as the voice of the exploited. it&#8217;s also pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the responses, especially to Mike which cleared up a lot of the misgivings I had about the original post.  Three things:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;a) You&#039;re absolutely right on Hebdige... I reacted on the first post and was totally unclear when I read it back.  As it happens with so many theoretical strains, I suppose I&#039;m more interested in subcultural theory post-Hebdige, especially what those like Hesmondhalgh have done with it in doing precisely what you say - i.e. recognize the mainstream as heterogenous (if not heteronymous as well, which is a whole other ball of wax, but pretty important).  I threw out Gramsci to make the point that I&#039;m not totally in line with Hebdige (his read of hegemony and resistance is a particular apprehension of Gramsci - and quite possibly a misapprehension in many ways), but think that subcultural critique is useful - and I don&#039;t see it falling apart in the ways that Mattb pointed out if we&#039;re conscious of the &quot;mainstream&quot; as being dynamic, in ways that Hesmondhalgh, for instance, is.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;b) I initially posted because of the way that performance theory seemed to be sliding in the back door... and it&#039;s cool to see you being deliberate in the responses about the way you&#039;re using it.  I do agree that there&#039;s a performative resistance here, but I was unclear on how you were using protest, like you said.  Either way, I&#039;ve just took on a project discussing the performance of resistance in particular indie scenes and I&#039;d be interested in your responses to it.  If you want, I&#039;ll get in touch privately about it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;c) I have huge problems with the unclear designations of &quot;academy&quot; and &quot;music nerds&quot; in the designation of world music.  The phrase is entirely contested in academic spheres, and can&#039;t be reduced to &quot;the kind that blends traditional and modern styles.&quot;  If so, how do we explain the centrality of Riverdance and Buena Vista Social Clubs to world music markets?  This is a bigger discussion to be had (not on this blog) that&#039;s way more nuanced that the dismissals here.  That&#039;s a hobbyhorse for another day, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the responses, especially to Mike which cleared up a lot of the misgivings I had about the original post.  Three things:</p>
<p>a) You&#8217;re absolutely right on Hebdige&#8230; I reacted on the first post and was totally unclear when I read it back.  As it happens with so many theoretical strains, I suppose I&#8217;m more interested in subcultural theory post-Hebdige, especially what those like Hesmondhalgh have done with it in doing precisely what you say &#8211; i.e. recognize the mainstream as heterogenous (if not heteronymous as well, which is a whole other ball of wax, but pretty important).  I threw out Gramsci to make the point that I&#8217;m not totally in line with Hebdige (his read of hegemony and resistance is a particular apprehension of Gramsci &#8211; and quite possibly a misapprehension in many ways), but think that subcultural critique is useful &#8211; and I don&#8217;t see it falling apart in the ways that Mattb pointed out if we&#8217;re conscious of the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; as being dynamic, in ways that Hesmondhalgh, for instance, is.  </p>
<p>b) I initially posted because of the way that performance theory seemed to be sliding in the back door&#8230; and it&#8217;s cool to see you being deliberate in the responses about the way you&#8217;re using it.  I do agree that there&#8217;s a performative resistance here, but I was unclear on how you were using protest, like you said.  Either way, I&#8217;ve just took on a project discussing the performance of resistance in particular indie scenes and I&#8217;d be interested in your responses to it.  If you want, I&#8217;ll get in touch privately about it.</p>
<p>c) I have huge problems with the unclear designations of &#8220;academy&#8221; and &#8220;music nerds&#8221; in the designation of world music.  The phrase is entirely contested in academic spheres, and can&#8217;t be reduced to &#8220;the kind that blends traditional and modern styles.&#8221;  If so, how do we explain the centrality of Riverdance and Buena Vista Social Clubs to world music markets?  This is a bigger discussion to be had (not on this blog) that&#8217;s way more nuanced that the dismissals here.  That&#8217;s a hobbyhorse for another day, though.</p>
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		<title>By: marathonpacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>marathonpacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mike:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;first, I never called Kala “world music,” nor do I receive it that way.  She certainly pitches he product that way, but with obviously ironic distance (“world town).  I mean, your take on what the academy has dubbed “world music” is fine, but I think you’re straw-manning me into that argument without much background from my original post.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, you’re right that my phrase &quot;dropping completely out of the established system of exchange&quot; is wrong; what I meant to say is that she’s creating her own performative system of exchange.  I agree with you (and it’s more or less in the post) that this sort of thing is already going on everywhere.  What I don’t agree with is the fact that it’s “far more prevalent than American consumerism.”  I think you underestimate the pervasiveness of American consumerism; partially because a lot of the subaltern forms exist purely in a dialectic relationship to it!  I mean, it’s stupid to argue that “markets” don’t predate globalized American consumerism, but I think it’s glossing over a lot to pretend that they’ve not been forced to change a lot of how they operate as a result.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And we seem to be on the same page re: the way 3rd worlders can incorporate Western messages and commercialism into their own ways of being, but maybe I wasn’t clear about my use of the word “protest.”  I’m not meaning it in the way that the Clash meant it, nor do I think that’s how M.I.A. means it.  I don’t think she’s trying to spur any sort of fundamental change in how things operate (nor do I care to hear that in pop music, but that’s another story altogether).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think she’s playing with the idea of “protest music” in really stunning and novel ways, first and foremost by foregrounding the fact that she’s not representing any one particular place, but a big chunk of the African/SE Asian “third world” as it exists now, which is largely conceived as a network of financial/technological organizations (see: Appadurai).  That’s what I love about this album: she’s cocky and over-simple with her slogans and professions of “representing,” to the point that they sort of lose all meaning.  Which is great, because, y’know, slogans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I do mean to say is probably best expressed in that quote at the top of the page, which I sort of see you agreeing with in your last graf: citizenship in colonized countries is more and more turning into a representation of consumerism (see: Bordieu), which is replacing those outdated, more abstracted notions of “democracy,” etc., which the US has of course done its part in diluting to the point of meaninglessness.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always, thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mike:</p>
<p>first, I never called Kala “world music,” nor do I receive it that way.  She certainly pitches he product that way, but with obviously ironic distance (“world town).  I mean, your take on what the academy has dubbed “world music” is fine, but I think you’re straw-manning me into that argument without much background from my original post.  </p>
<p>Second, you’re right that my phrase &#8220;dropping completely out of the established system of exchange&#8221; is wrong; what I meant to say is that she’s creating her own performative system of exchange.  I agree with you (and it’s more or less in the post) that this sort of thing is already going on everywhere.  What I don’t agree with is the fact that it’s “far more prevalent than American consumerism.”  I think you underestimate the pervasiveness of American consumerism; partially because a lot of the subaltern forms exist purely in a dialectic relationship to it!  I mean, it’s stupid to argue that “markets” don’t predate globalized American consumerism, but I think it’s glossing over a lot to pretend that they’ve not been forced to change a lot of how they operate as a result.</p>
<p>And we seem to be on the same page re: the way 3rd worlders can incorporate Western messages and commercialism into their own ways of being, but maybe I wasn’t clear about my use of the word “protest.”  I’m not meaning it in the way that the Clash meant it, nor do I think that’s how M.I.A. means it.  I don’t think she’s trying to spur any sort of fundamental change in how things operate (nor do I care to hear that in pop music, but that’s another story altogether).  </p>
<p>I think she’s playing with the idea of “protest music” in really stunning and novel ways, first and foremost by foregrounding the fact that she’s not representing any one particular place, but a big chunk of the African/SE Asian “third world” as it exists now, which is largely conceived as a network of financial/technological organizations (see: Appadurai).  That’s what I love about this album: she’s cocky and over-simple with her slogans and professions of “representing,” to the point that they sort of lose all meaning.  Which is great, because, y’know, slogans.</p>
<p>What I do mean to say is probably best expressed in that quote at the top of the page, which I sort of see you agreeing with in your last graf: citizenship in colonized countries is more and more turning into a representation of consumerism (see: Bordieu), which is replacing those outdated, more abstracted notions of “democracy,” etc., which the US has of course done its part in diluting to the point of meaninglessness.  </p>
<p>As always, thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I mean East African and Southeast Asian countries.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I&#039;m all Dan Rather up in there, aren&#039;t I?</description>
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<p>Also, I&#8217;m all Dan Rather up in there, aren&#8217;t I?</p>
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