The Concretes, Martyr’s 5.13.06
Monday, May 15, 2006
I saw the Concretes perform at some place called Martyr’s in Chicago Saturday night, and the show offered enough evidence to allow me to assume that the band, or, at least lead singer Victoria Bergsman, is undergoing a performative identity crisis similar to that heard on the new record (and experienced by B&S live, too). They started the show promisingly enough—opening with my favorite track from the new record, “Fiction,” which is sort of how I’d imagine a collaboration between Steely Dan and Electrelane to sound, but Bergsman, the focal point of the band’s eight members, stood nearly motionless, her hands clasped in front of her, holding closed a thick black coat draped over her shoulders (see the crummy, re-touched, blurry picture above). It was affect, pure and simple, but completely ineffective. She drained energy from the band, which didn’t exactly take energy pills before the
set. Maybe it’s a Swedish thing, but even on the Nico Goes to Motown narcosis of “You Can’t Hurry Love,” I like to see more than a little bit of toe tapping and gentle swaying. Even the Madness pastiche “On the Radio,” and the extended freakout at the end of set-closer “Lonely As Can Be,” which saw the ever-so-cute rhythm guitarist drop to her knees and just wail, were dulled by the fact that the band seemed to be under the influence of some passion-draining medication.The central aspect of the show that drew my attention though, and which also only heightened my suspicion that Bergsman’s got a long way to go toward some semblance of live performative acumen, was her open antagonism toward the audience, specifically two dudes standing in front of us. They were about three or four feet in front of Bergsman, and basically talked to each other through the entire set. They weren’t bothering me, and no one around us made any mention of them being a nuisance. That is, well, except for Bergsman herself, who after the second song looked at them and said “you two certainly like to talk, don’t you?”
Which cued someone in the rear of the crowd to yell “It’s a bar!” and the rest of the crowd (or perhaps just me) to just watch Bergsman’s facial expression for the rest of the show, at the expense of paying attention to the performance. The two guys just kept talking, only with pronounced gestures after being outed, provoking near-constant and very visible hatred from Bergsman in the form of rolled eyes and the kind of smirk only a cute Swede who looks like Conor Oberst or maybe Antony can pull off.The gentle hostility performance-style actually started with the opening act, a solo chick who went by the name New Buffalo and who looked like a girl dancing by herself in her bedroom most of the time. On a few occasions, she actually told the audience to be quiet, which of course had the opposite effect. It made me like her less, the same effect Bergsman’s behavior engendered toward the Concretes. Perhaps I was just a little flustered that the only sign of passion in their entire set came at the end of their last song (pictured below), but coupled with Bergsman’s chiding of the geeks in front of me, the band might as well have hung a shower curtain between themselves and the crowd for all of their distancing, purposeful
(Bergsman) or not (the rest of the band, minus Hendrix Jr there).Which brings me to a question, or, um, three, actually: First, should a band or artist playing pop music at a bar have any expectations of politeness or quiet deference from the audience, most of whom are probably drunk or on their way to being so? Second, does the audience owe anything to the performer other than their presence at the event and between-song affirmation? Third, if a performer becomes annoyed at a less-than-polite crowd, should he/she/they address the situation and risk blowing things out of proportion, or just plow through the set and sulk on the bus? I’m leaning toward no on all three counts, especially the way Bergsman handled things last night. I mean, this isn’t spoken word or shoebox theatre, it’s a pop concert, though it was obvious that Bergsman may have thought differently, at least last night. It could be a sign of a singer with a lot of promise struggling to find her public feet, or someone fed up with the drizzly shit Chicago weather and the fact that Martyr’s smelled like a urinal cake. Either way, what do you think?

I’m a yes, yes and yes. it may be a bar, but as a concert venue I’d say the majority of people in attendance have paid whatever the ticket price is to see the band, not to get drunk. You can do that anywhere else. If your intention in going to a show is just to drink and talk – especially at the front of the stage. Have some basic courtesy to everyone else and take it somewhere else. I don’t care what someone’s “rights” are as a paying patron, rude is just rude and there’s simply no call for ruining others’ time – be it the performer or the rest of the audience. Do you think Bergsman was chiding the talkers for her benefit or for her audience?
But hey, I’m Canadian. We’re all about politeness.
It just seemed that the two guys were only ruining Bergsman’s time, and not really anyone else’s. And then, when she got pissy, the performance suffered a bit. I guess I just look at it like a teacher might–I tend not to take it personally if people want to goof around on their own dime, and just plow forward for the benefit of the rest of those paying attention. At least I try to. It doesn’t always work, obviously.
And I’ve heard that your countrywoman Neko said in an interview that she gets pissed when concert patrons are chided for talking. I’ve just heard. No link or nothin’.
And, just to make it clear, I’m not supporting the guys who gabbed right in front of her. It was rude, yeah, definitely, and pretty unnecessary. And I kinda feel sorry for Victoria, but I just felt she could have possibly internalized it a bit better.
it really depends.
i hate it when people talk during calm songs and i can hear them almost as loud as the band. it distracts me.
for example, i hated it when some people just couldn’t shut up while conor oberst was playing “lua” – just himself and an acoustic guitar.
i don’t really care at louder rock or punk concerts. it just some background murmur i hardly notice.
but if you need to talk at a show, go to the bar or to the back. not in the front row. that’s annoying.
well obviously not having been there, I can’t say that the talkers were disturbing anyone else but as one who usually suffers in silence (or lack of) rather than confront the gabbers in the audience, I’ll go out on a limb and say there were more pissed off people there. If Victoria could hear them from the stage with all the monitors and amps and whatnot around her, then you can be pretty sure the other people in the audience were being bothered as well. But I’ve found that confronting drunk, rude people rarely has the desired results.
I’ve had more than a few shows recently pretty much ruined by people who talk loudly and incessently through the whole thing so I give those people absolutely no latitude. Take them outside and shoot them as far as I’m concerned.
and neko’s not Canadian. She just wishes she was
Yeah, you’re probably right that there were more pissed off people than I noticed (especially after 5 vodka/cokes), but I consider myself to be pretty curmudgeonly and I was right behind the guys and they didn’t bother me at all. I couldn’t hear what they were saying, obviously, and they weren’t bumping in to me or anything, so I was fine. They were, however, right in front of Victoria. Like, right in front. She obviously couldn’t hear them, but she could see them. Hell, they could have been chatting about how great the show was, for all anyone knows.
I mean, I’m with you on the rudeness factor if I’m at a film screening or book reading, or even a music performance at a stuffier venue, where the talking would disturb others from enjoying the show. What really irks me at rock shows is unnecessary bumping and jumping and spilling my drinking. That’s when I get shove-y.
Some of the better acoustic acts I have seen have evolved various techniques to shut up punters, usually by sheer force of personality. It’s a very tricky line, and one I don’t always think has a simple answer. Usually by far the worst thing to do is to confront it in an annoyed manner. Hey ho.
I saw the Concretes last year play at Koko in London. They stood stock still and played everything exactly like the record. I was quite away away (Koko is a big theatre that can hold 2000), and frankly they could have put on the CD and stuck cardboard cutouts on the stage. It was a very flat experience indeed.
best response I’ve heard from performers onstage to talkers was Blake Sennett of Rilo Kiley – they were starting a song in the encore kind of acoustic-like and there were a couple of girls near the front just talking away obliviously. In between verses, he says “This isn’t like TV. I can hear you.” They giggled and shut up.
I really enjoyed the Concretes show in Toronto last week. Just sayin’.
i have to agree with frank. if you HAVE to talk at a pop-concert, go to the back or even better: go outside. i might be a bit strict (or just european?) in this regard, but in my opinion there just is no reason for talking at a concert.
although i wouldn’t go so far as saying that people talking at concerts have spoilt shows for me before, i think it is just extremely annoying and impolite.
i saw the concretes in hamburg a few weeks ago and although they definitely aren’t the most energetic live-band around, i really enjoyed their show and with their – let’s call it “subtle” – approach to performing, talking during their songs is just straight out inappropriate.
however i have to admit that victoria bergsman did strike me as very fragile, insecure and maybe not even fit for performing live on stage (they didn’t play any encores in hamburg, because she apparently passed out after the regular set). i guess it’s not that unprobable that she was annoyed hereslf rather than worried about the audience being annoyed by those two guys.
I’ve seen enough Tori Amos concerts by now to know that the audience will be quiet, but only if you are a powerful enough performer. If you’re not, you should have no expectation of quiet. If the audience is being noisy, your response as a performer should not be to scold them, it should be to do something slightly different that will engage them. Musicians get very tied up in “this is what I am going to do no matter how the audience responds” and man, that is just a recipe for bad performances.
And I say all this as a performer more than anything else! As an audience member I’m kind of with everyone else in wishing people would shut the hell up, but performers seriously have to meet them halfway, and I’ve too often seen that not happen.
I just read an article in one of the music mags about The Concretes. The tone of comments in the article from Victoria Bergsman came across to me like she was a real bitch (sorry but no other word for it). More to the point she sounded like a very negative person. So, I’m not surprised by her attitude in concert, at least from the impressions I got in the article.
Oh and BTW, the Concretes (victoria bergsman) need to get a little more accomplished of a band before they can demand that the audience shuts up and listens to them. Quite frankly, I’ve been to a lot of concerts over the years and the stellar bands never had a problem with the audience giving them their full attention. And occassionally if they did get some crap from the audience, they ignored them and kicked it even harder.
“kicking it even harder” really depends on the band. The Concretes are not a rock band, they are not going to turn up to 10 to shut someone up. It reminds me of seeing Iron & Wine a couple years ago. Lovely, quiet show except for this one girl who kept screaming at the top of her lungs everytime a song started or ended (and sometimes in the middle). What was Sam Beam (who looked utterly perplexed) going to do, step on the Big Muff and rip into Smoke On The Water?
Again, I guess it just comes down to my simply not understanding why people are so inconsiderate of others. You want attention from strangers, try setting yourself on fire or something.
yeah, I do agree some people don’t have the respect for the band and the only reason why they are there is to get drunk and rowdy… tis true this world has gotten crazier and people have gotten more inconsiderate overall…
got a chuckle out of the Sam Beam imagery ripping into Smoke on the water..
yes yes and no
“second-rate belle and sebastian” – to me that’s simple-minded and uninformed. i like belle and sebastian as much as the next person, and was an avid fan up until around ‘fold your hands child …’, but now i love the concretes. have you seen their video for ’seems fine’? fantastic!
as for talking (in the front row) during a performance – are you kidding?
Give me more information as to how my classification is simple-minded and misinformed. The Concretes’ new record is great in parts, but as a whole, it’s a mess (the opposite of the previous wonder)–at a lower level than B&S were at a similar point.
And I’m not siding with the dudes that were talking, if that’s what you’re insinuating. I just think that, regardless, it’s gonna happen (it’s a rock club/bar, not the Guggenheim), and a performer should get used to it and not let it interfere with her/his performance, and the enjoyment of the rest of the crowd.
Martyrs is in my old stomping ground..it’s such a random ass place to see a show….Sia was there recently…weird. Anyhow…stumbled on your blog…next time I’ll check out the cultural essays!
out
jobe
I personally think that you have to read the crowd at any performance. Like many have said here in this discussion, this is a bar, not a coffee house with everyone hanging intently on the performer’s every word.
This reminds me of the time I saw M. Ward perform here in Vancouver a couple months ago. He was out for an encore and did this beautiful and emotive song and everyone was just soaking it up; He had the whole crowd captivated. Unfortunately, there was the crows of bar-stars getting ready to enter and kick off the night’s festivities… (after the show the bar was opening for the clubbers). So they were catching the tail end of something amazing, but they sort of ruined it for us.
I guess it’s really all just a matter of what people want, what they’re in the mood for. You always get one joker who stands out from the collective group, and you just gotta laugh and focus on the crowd that matters.