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		<title>By: marathonpacks</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>marathonpacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean--I see what you&#039;re saying, and I can&#039;t say I disagree.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve always had the feeling with this site that it should represent with text and pictures as much as possible my true tastes on music and culture (and pretentiousness), as well as my methods for critiquing.  I can see the appeal in mega-posting, but I just would not be able to verify that everything I posted would fall under the rubric of &quot;music that I like, and can vouch for&quot;.  Sometimes that takes &lt;i&gt;years&lt;/i&gt; to discover!  The same goes for free stuff from PR people--sure, maybe the 1% of it that I like will go up on the site, but the other 99 goes in a stack next to my desk (or on my HD).  I just couldn&#039;t imagine being able to say, each week, that i &#039;liked&#039; 20 new songs.  Not saying that others don&#039;t have that capacity, but I surely don&#039;t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And as far as trumpeting to the heavens one&#039;s love for music, I think that&#039;s a subjective area--I think a lot of bloggers see themselves as doing exactly that, but in wildly divergent ways colored by their individual personalities/relationships to the world/amounts of free time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Along the lines of your last thought:  My thing with marathonpacks, which is the only one about which I can objectively speak, is that I want each and every song/post/thing to seem &lt;i&gt;important&lt;/i&gt;.  So that people that visit, over time, can get a clear idea of what I value enough to rail on about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean&#8211;I see what you&#8217;re saying, and I can&#8217;t say I disagree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always had the feeling with this site that it should represent with text and pictures as much as possible my true tastes on music and culture (and pretentiousness), as well as my methods for critiquing.  I can see the appeal in mega-posting, but I just would not be able to verify that everything I posted would fall under the rubric of &#8220;music that I like, and can vouch for&#8221;.  Sometimes that takes <i>years</i> to discover!  The same goes for free stuff from PR people&#8211;sure, maybe the 1% of it that I like will go up on the site, but the other 99 goes in a stack next to my desk (or on my HD).  I just couldn&#8217;t imagine being able to say, each week, that i &#8216;liked&#8217; 20 new songs.  Not saying that others don&#8217;t have that capacity, but I surely don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And as far as trumpeting to the heavens one&#8217;s love for music, I think that&#8217;s a subjective area&#8211;I think a lot of bloggers see themselves as doing exactly that, but in wildly divergent ways colored by their individual personalities/relationships to the world/amounts of free time.</p>
<p>Along the lines of your last thought:  My thing with marathonpacks, which is the only one about which I can objectively speak, is that I want each and every song/post/thing to seem <i>important</i>.  So that people that visit, over time, can get a clear idea of what I value enough to rail on about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share (or perhaps, feel more strongly) your disappointment about the &quot;incorporation&quot; of blogs into the existing musiccrit landscape. One of the things I most liked was this -new- editorial stage, set up between music production/distribution/marketing and the mass media that disseminates and covers this stuff. I liked that  blogs weren&#039;t just a quicker version of the mass media (PFM/Filter/Magnet/whatever). I&#039;m not particularly fond of the way that&#039;s changed. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think I expressed myself very clearly w/r/t &quot;ambivalence&quot;, because your reading wasn&#039;t what I was getting at at all. Like I said, I&#039;m still feeling it out, but it&#039;s something to do with an ambivalence toward um... individual voices? individual tastes? Bloggers don&#039;t seem to take much responsibility for anything any more - I&#039;m not talking about taking responsibility for &quot;breaking&quot; bands or whatever. I guess it&#039;s just that lots of bloggers don&#039;t seem to take things as seriously as I do (or I feel Matt-Fluxblog, or John-Tofu Hut) did/do. That there&#039;s something worth being proud about, in singing loudly and clearly the praises of the music you -truly- love; and not undermining that with bands you only kinda like or think others would be into. It&#039;s easy to shrug off any criticism when you&#039;re ambivalent about how much your blog -means-, even just to yourself, to your vision of the world. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it&#039;s maybe this? That the blogs I most respect are -adding- something to the conversation, and not just providing more fora for the same conversations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share (or perhaps, feel more strongly) your disappointment about the &#8220;incorporation&#8221; of blogs into the existing musiccrit landscape. One of the things I most liked was this -new- editorial stage, set up between music production/distribution/marketing and the mass media that disseminates and covers this stuff. I liked that  blogs weren&#8217;t just a quicker version of the mass media (PFM/Filter/Magnet/whatever). I&#8217;m not particularly fond of the way that&#8217;s changed. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I expressed myself very clearly w/r/t &#8220;ambivalence&#8221;, because your reading wasn&#8217;t what I was getting at at all. Like I said, I&#8217;m still feeling it out, but it&#8217;s something to do with an ambivalence toward um&#8230; individual voices? individual tastes? Bloggers don&#8217;t seem to take much responsibility for anything any more &#8211; I&#8217;m not talking about taking responsibility for &#8220;breaking&#8221; bands or whatever. I guess it&#8217;s just that lots of bloggers don&#8217;t seem to take things as seriously as I do (or I feel Matt-Fluxblog, or John-Tofu Hut) did/do. That there&#8217;s something worth being proud about, in singing loudly and clearly the praises of the music you -truly- love; and not undermining that with bands you only kinda like or think others would be into. It&#8217;s easy to shrug off any criticism when you&#8217;re ambivalent about how much your blog -means-, even just to yourself, to your vision of the world. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s maybe this? That the blogs I most respect are -adding- something to the conversation, and not just providing more fora for the same conversations?</p>
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		<title>By: marathonpacks</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>marathonpacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think there&#039;s a common theme running through many (if not most) mp3 blogs of self-deprecation toward any larger social/cultural &quot;role&quot;, which, of course they all have (some much more than others).  Ambivalence is a good way to put it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they&#039;re taking a shape (to get even &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; pretentious), it&#039;s one of incorporation on the part of the labels, both big and small.  I mean, it was written in the stars that it would eventually happen, but it&#039;s slightly distressing to the purist side of me that content is being dictated from outside instead of inside.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, I find equally interesting the forms that blogs have mutated into.  There are the &quot;mega-blogs&quot;, like GvB, YANP and MOKB, the more high-falootin&#039;, like StG and Fluxblog, and the stalwart daily papers, like LHB and CW.  Then, all the entrepreneurs!  In a lot of ways, blogs are a parallel form of promotion, and thus mirror, to a large degree, the fragmentative and niche-leaning tendencies of (post-modern) capitalism, broadly defined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think there&#8217;s a common theme running through many (if not most) mp3 blogs of self-deprecation toward any larger social/cultural &#8220;role&#8221;, which, of course they all have (some much more than others).  Ambivalence is a good way to put it.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re taking a shape (to get even <i>more</i> pretentious), it&#8217;s one of incorporation on the part of the labels, both big and small.  I mean, it was written in the stars that it would eventually happen, but it&#8217;s slightly distressing to the purist side of me that content is being dictated from outside instead of inside.  </p>
<p>That said, I find equally interesting the forms that blogs have mutated into.  There are the &#8220;mega-blogs&#8221;, like GvB, YANP and MOKB, the more high-falootin&#8217;, like StG and Fluxblog, and the stalwart daily papers, like LHB and CW.  Then, all the entrepreneurs!  In a lot of ways, blogs are a parallel form of promotion, and thus mirror, to a large degree, the fragmentative and niche-leaning tendencies of (post-modern) capitalism, broadly defined.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d not followed or seen any of this, so I&#039;m glad for the report. I&#039;m a little disappointed you didn&#039;t go deeper into the analysis, as that&#039;s what interests me - the &quot;purity&quot; thing you&#039;re talking about, and the weird intersection between indie-dominated mp3blogs and the corporate PR machine. There&#039;s a weird philosophy that seems present in a lot of musicblogs, distressing to me because of its ambivalence, and I&#039;m still trying to figure out what shape I&#039;m sensing. I don&#039;t think this is it, but it all might tie together. I&#039;d appreciate yr thoughts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for it being &quot;pretentious&quot;, I think that&#039;s, as they say here, utter bollocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d not followed or seen any of this, so I&#8217;m glad for the report. I&#8217;m a little disappointed you didn&#8217;t go deeper into the analysis, as that&#8217;s what interests me &#8211; the &#8220;purity&#8221; thing you&#8217;re talking about, and the weird intersection between indie-dominated mp3blogs and the corporate PR machine. There&#8217;s a weird philosophy that seems present in a lot of musicblogs, distressing to me because of its ambivalence, and I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what shape I&#8217;m sensing. I don&#8217;t think this is it, but it all might tie together. I&#8217;d appreciate yr thoughts.</p>
<p>As for it being &#8220;pretentious&#8221;, I think that&#8217;s, as they say here, utter bollocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>definitely a nice write-up.  wayyyy pretentious.  okay, but for real, this part made me laugh:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;The first time I said “Gnarls Barkley” aloud was about a week ago, and just saying the names of other blogs during my conversation with Dodge was somewhat surreal, as if I was learning a new language and just figuring out how to form strange new words.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;word up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>definitely a nice write-up.  wayyyy pretentious.  okay, but for real, this part made me laugh:</p>
<p>&#8220;The first time I said “Gnarls Barkley” aloud was about a week ago, and just saying the names of other blogs during my conversation with Dodge was somewhat surreal, as if I was learning a new language and just figuring out how to form strange new words.&#8221;</p>
<p>word up.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't Need Anything</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Don't Need Anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i caught the original version of the post on gvb and decided to check it out myself and ill be damned if it didnt look like a fake to me too.  i think i might have even left a nasty comment or two...i really dont remember.  but to the man who does it, if hes reading this, im sorry dude.  &lt;br/&gt;and mad respect to chris.  i just hope he doesnt ever call me out - i got nothing to hide man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i caught the original version of the post on gvb and decided to check it out myself and ill be damned if it didnt look like a fake to me too.  i think i might have even left a nasty comment or two&#8230;i really dont remember.  but to the man who does it, if hes reading this, im sorry dude.  <br />and mad respect to chris.  i just hope he doesnt ever call me out &#8211; i got nothing to hide man.</p>
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		<title>By: marathonpacks</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>marathonpacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify (off Kevin&#039;s comment) I must reiterate my point that I don&#039;t think Chris came to bring the pain hardcore from the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify (off Kevin&#8217;s comment) I must reiterate my point that I don&#8217;t think Chris came to bring the pain hardcore from the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: bethanne</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>bethanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post. i just hate it when people feel the need to rain on everyone&#039;s parade and do stupid shit like this. i&#039;m glad chris had the tenacity to call bullshit on this one. i really am. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;people need to lighten up and stop causing drama. bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post. i just hate it when people feel the need to rain on everyone&#8217;s parade and do stupid shit like this. i&#8217;m glad chris had the tenacity to call bullshit on this one. i really am. </p>
<p>people need to lighten up and stop causing drama. bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. I was wrong. It was a Method Man song from which that post title originated. &quot;Bring the Pain.&quot; Great track. Just wanted to correct myself. Carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. I was wrong. It was a Method Man song from which that post title originated. &#8220;Bring the Pain.&#8221; Great track. Just wanted to correct myself. Carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.marathonpacks.com/2006/02/is-it-really-real-son/comment-page-1/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
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